Comments on: When signing Tom Clarke McCall sends the squad the wrong message http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2008/10/23/when-signing-tom-clarke-mccall-sends-the-squad-the-wrong-message/ Bradford City news since 1998 Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:00:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Michael Wood http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2008/10/23/when-signing-tom-clarke-mccall-sends-the-squad-the-wrong-message/comment-page-1/#comment-1145 Michael Wood Fri, 24 Oct 2008 10:51:57 +0000 http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/?p=799#comment-1145 You miss the point of the article Stefan. It is a supposition. If Conlon had scored and Darlington had not then the result might have been "unfair" - and how often are we all left scratching our heads about how many chances our team missed but how few the other had who won - but it would nevertheless be the result. The supposition is that had Conlon scored and as a result we went on to win the game - and you must have seen that happen more than once watching football - then same we would have been top. It illustrates the line between success and failure rather than commenting on the flow of the game. Having watching Darlington who - and I don't mean this to seem rude - have been in the losing end of the league for some time you must have seen games were a team plays poorly and ends up winning. Had that happened on Monday and we go top (more or less) then the reaction would not have been that we were dire. The performance would have been forgotten and the result all. Had Barry knocked one of those chances in the would we have played any better in retrospect? Had we not scored the own goal at the end would we be thinking of it as a better performance. Had Darlington scored the half dozen or more City's got all those years ago in the League Cup would the performance bet any different or just the assessment of the performance. You think we should be happy with 2-1 so you are suggesting it could have been more. Had it been 5-1 would City have played worse than at 2-1? If it had been 1-1 would we have played worse? If Darlington had not had the last minute goal then would they have played worse? As I say it is a supposition and not a comment on the game but rather on how the game is analysed after the event. I'm looking at a number of possibilities and asking the question had the result have been different but the flow of play been the same would it have made a better performance? If you think that is myopia then all I can do is disagree. You miss the point of the article Stefan. It is a supposition. If Conlon had scored and Darlington had not then the result might have been “unfair” - and how often are we all left scratching our heads about how many chances our team missed but how few the other had who won - but it would nevertheless be the result.

The supposition is that had Conlon scored and as a result we went on to win the game - and you must have seen that happen more than once watching football - then same we would have been top. It illustrates the line between success and failure rather than commenting on the flow of the game.

Having watching Darlington who - and I don’t mean this to seem rude - have been in the losing end of the league for some time you must have seen games were a team plays poorly and ends up winning. Had that happened on Monday and we go top (more or less) then the reaction would not have been that we were dire. The performance would have been forgotten and the result all.

Had Barry knocked one of those chances in the would we have played any better in retrospect? Had we not scored the own goal at the end would we be thinking of it as a better performance. Had Darlington scored the half dozen or more City’s got all those years ago in the League Cup would the performance bet any different or just the assessment of the performance.

You think we should be happy with 2-1 so you are suggesting it could have been more. Had it been 5-1 would City have played worse than at 2-1? If it had been 1-1 would we have played worse? If Darlington had not had the last minute goal then would they have played worse?

As I say it is a supposition and not a comment on the game but rather on how the game is analysed after the event. I’m looking at a number of possibilities and asking the question had the result have been different but the flow of play been the same would it have made a better performance?

If you think that is myopia then all I can do is disagree.

]]> By: Stefan Volkmann http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2008/10/23/when-signing-tom-clarke-mccall-sends-the-squad-the-wrong-message/comment-page-1/#comment-1142 Stefan Volkmann Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:03:03 +0000 http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/?p=799#comment-1142 "I recall thinking just before the first goal at Darlington that City need only have snuck in one of the two chances that edged past Barry Conlon’s foot to have turned the game on Monday into a win." I think you're being a little myopic there - yes it might have been different had Baz snuck in one of those crosses, but equally if we had converted so many as a third of the chances that we created throughout the game the final scoreline would have been three or four nil (or maybe one), a much fairer reflection of the balance of play. If I was a Bradford fan I'd have been mighty happy to come away having only been beaten 2-1. “I recall thinking just before the first goal at Darlington that City need only have snuck in one of the two chances that edged past Barry Conlon’s foot to have turned the game on Monday into a win.”

I think you’re being a little myopic there - yes it might have been different had Baz snuck in one of those crosses, but equally if we had converted so many as a third of the chances that we created throughout the game the final scoreline would have been three or four nil (or maybe one), a much fairer reflection of the balance of play.

If I was a Bradford fan I’d have been mighty happy to come away having only been beaten 2-1.

]]> By: Mark Williams http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2008/10/23/when-signing-tom-clarke-mccall-sends-the-squad-the-wrong-message/comment-page-1/#comment-1134 Mark Williams Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:09:26 +0000 http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/?p=799#comment-1134 Lose at Grimsby and the questons and voices will grow louder - it seems bizarre that a team 7th in the table should be affected in this way - BUT 4 losses from 12 played plus the hammering at Huddersfield and the narrowish defat at L666s in cup games means the record this season is not 100% positive. Apparently TClarke is depserate for 1st team football after a lengthy period out with a serious injury - so i doubt he has come here to sit on the bench - Man Mountain or not, Matt needs a reminder that his place is not secure and a place on the bench should be his reward for playing so poorly on Monday. Lose at Grimsby and the questons and voices will grow louder - it seems bizarre that a team 7th in the table should be affected in this way - BUT 4 losses from 12 played plus the hammering at Huddersfield and the narrowish defat at L666s in cup games means the record this season is not 100% positive.

Apparently TClarke is depserate for 1st team football after a lengthy period out with a serious injury - so i doubt he has come here to sit on the bench - Man Mountain or not, Matt needs a reminder that his place is not secure and a place on the bench should be his reward for playing so poorly on Monday.

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