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	<title>Comments on: Yeah, but if it wasn&#8217;t Stuart&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: Michael Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2009/03/yeah-but-if-it-wasnt-stuart-mccall/#comment-545</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 08:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is good that you agree that Lincoln are behind us in the table because I would have found the debate that they were not to be very interesting.  Sticking to things one can comment on Lawn&#039;s statement that we have a high budget is relative to things he has no way of knowing - how would Mark Lawn know how much Brentford, or Luton, or Lincoln for that matter are spending?  If their chairmen rang VP and asked what our our bill was would we answer?  As for Yorath&#039;s work: Different management teams work in different ways and Jackson has been very clear that he is not a training ground manager or a coach and I personally would say that in that context Jackson the manager is defined by his assistant.

Ultimately though I don&#039;t think anyone is arguing that Jackson could or could not have done a decent job and that your insistence that he was your choice despite an acknowledgement that you do not think he would do a better job presents two interesting questions for me.

Firstly is your personal crusade against McCall which Jason refers to simply peevishness because you did not have your choice installed?  If you don&#039;t think that Jackson would have done a better job than McCall why campaign against him as you frequently do?  This leads onto a second point that if you think they would have done the same type of service at City then would you now be calling for Jackson to leave for the same reasons you want McCall to go?

What scary sense of entitlement is it that says that you want the manager you want at the time you want him and even though you admit that a failure to comply with your edict has served no ill for the club - that Jackson would not have done a better job - that you want to break what is there because it is not what you had wanted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is good that you agree that Lincoln are behind us in the table because I would have found the debate that they were not to be very interesting.  Sticking to things one can comment on Lawn&#8217;s statement that we have a high budget is relative to things he has no way of knowing &#8211; how would Mark Lawn know how much Brentford, or Luton, or Lincoln for that matter are spending?  If their chairmen rang VP and asked what our our bill was would we answer?  As for Yorath&#8217;s work: Different management teams work in different ways and Jackson has been very clear that he is not a training ground manager or a coach and I personally would say that in that context Jackson the manager is defined by his assistant.</p>
<p>Ultimately though I don&#8217;t think anyone is arguing that Jackson could or could not have done a decent job and that your insistence that he was your choice despite an acknowledgement that you do not think he would do a better job presents two interesting questions for me.</p>
<p>Firstly is your personal crusade against McCall which Jason refers to simply peevishness because you did not have your choice installed?  If you don&#8217;t think that Jackson would have done a better job than McCall why campaign against him as you frequently do?  This leads onto a second point that if you think they would have done the same type of service at City then would you now be calling for Jackson to leave for the same reasons you want McCall to go?</p>
<p>What scary sense of entitlement is it that says that you want the manager you want at the time you want him and even though you admit that a failure to comply with your edict has served no ill for the club &#8211; that Jackson would not have done a better job &#8211; that you want to break what is there because it is not what you had wanted?</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne McManus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne McManus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A fair argument and I am sure there will be good points to back up both sides.  For the record the points in favour of Jackson are;

He has managed to get a team out of this league before (at the first attempt) and built several good squads in his time at Huddersfield.

I agree Lincoln are behind us in the table.  However, he didn&#039;t take over until October 08 and then missed three months of the campaign, meaning he was only in charge for five months in his first season.  He did win a Manager of the Month award in that season.  His overall record at Lincoln is;
Games 64, W23, D16, L25.  Win Rate 36%. (1.33 pts p/game)

McCalls stats are;
Games 92, W35, D21, L36.  Win rate 38%. (1.37 pts p/game)

I understand that Jacko pushed the boat out to get Rob Burch, but I still don&#039;t believe he has the same financial clout McCall has been given this season.  Our Chairman, Lawn, readily admitted that we had pushed the boat out for McCall and that we have one of the highest wage budgets in our league.

I haven&#039;t said Jacko would have done a better job than McCall.  I simply said his &#039;previous record&#039; indicated he would have done a decent job for us and was my choice for manager.  I haven&#039;t changed my viewpoint on this, although I do acknowledge the work Taff did behind the scenes and take your point regarding this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fair argument and I am sure there will be good points to back up both sides.  For the record the points in favour of Jackson are;</p>
<p>He has managed to get a team out of this league before (at the first attempt) and built several good squads in his time at Huddersfield.</p>
<p>I agree Lincoln are behind us in the table.  However, he didn&#8217;t take over until October 08 and then missed three months of the campaign, meaning he was only in charge for five months in his first season.  He did win a Manager of the Month award in that season.  His overall record at Lincoln is;<br />
Games 64, W23, D16, L25.  Win Rate 36%. (1.33 pts p/game)</p>
<p>McCalls stats are;<br />
Games 92, W35, D21, L36.  Win rate 38%. (1.37 pts p/game)</p>
<p>I understand that Jacko pushed the boat out to get Rob Burch, but I still don&#8217;t believe he has the same financial clout McCall has been given this season.  Our Chairman, Lawn, readily admitted that we had pushed the boat out for McCall and that we have one of the highest wage budgets in our league.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t said Jacko would have done a better job than McCall.  I simply said his &#8216;previous record&#8217; indicated he would have done a decent job for us and was my choice for manager.  I haven&#8217;t changed my viewpoint on this, although I do acknowledge the work Taff did behind the scenes and take your point regarding this.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Blogs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Blogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally support those who want to keep McCall at Bradford. As far as I&#039;m concerned, we&#039;ve improved the squad, performances, and results compared with last season. We were on a downward spiral when he took the job (how long was it that we went without a win at VP prior to Medley&#039;s winner against Wrexham?) and now we are heading in the right direction for the first time in a long time. Just because we don&#039;t get there in one year or two years people start to fret more than they should. And that probably includes McCall. I don&#039;t know how staying down would affect us financially, but football-wise I don&#039;t think it would exactly be a disaster. We&#039;ve consolidated and improved over the one-and-a-bit seasons McCall has been in charge, which is better than the direction we were moving in when he took over.

We&#039;ve seen things under McCall we&#039;d not seen for a while. 5-0 against Aldershot - we get 5-0 scores about once a decade! Clean sheets, back-to-back wins. I&#039;d almost forgotten such things existed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally support those who want to keep McCall at Bradford. As far as I&#8217;m concerned, we&#8217;ve improved the squad, performances, and results compared with last season. We were on a downward spiral when he took the job (how long was it that we went without a win at VP prior to Medley&#8217;s winner against Wrexham?) and now we are heading in the right direction for the first time in a long time. Just because we don&#8217;t get there in one year or two years people start to fret more than they should. And that probably includes McCall. I don&#8217;t know how staying down would affect us financially, but football-wise I don&#8217;t think it would exactly be a disaster. We&#8217;ve consolidated and improved over the one-and-a-bit seasons McCall has been in charge, which is better than the direction we were moving in when he took over.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve seen things under McCall we&#8217;d not seen for a while. 5-0 against Aldershot &#8211; we get 5-0 scores about once a decade! Clean sheets, back-to-back wins. I&#8217;d almost forgotten such things existed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Mckeown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Mckeown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would echo Tom&#039;s thoughts. The idiot supporters like Wayne McManus aka Waynus get too much say over how this club is run and ultimately drag it down and hold it back. Those of us who believe in Stuart have as much right to make our views known but are probably guilty of failing to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would echo Tom&#8217;s thoughts. The idiot supporters like Wayne McManus aka Waynus get too much say over how this club is run and ultimately drag it down and hold it back. Those of us who believe in Stuart have as much right to make our views known but are probably guilty of failing to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Rhodes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Rhodes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its great to see so much support on BfB for Stuart and I totally echo that and we just have to hope that he realises that most of the fans want him to stay for a long time to come.

Maybe we need a petition so the minority with negative views don&#039;t drown us out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its great to see so much support on BfB for Stuart and I totally echo that and we just have to hope that he realises that most of the fans want him to stay for a long time to come.</p>
<p>Maybe we need a petition so the minority with negative views don&#8217;t drown us out?</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor Graveson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Trevor Graveson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have come from a position where only a few years ago we nearly lost City. We now have a manager &amp; chairmen who love the club, JR &amp; ML must convince Stuart that his place is  at Valley Parade, he must stay - for their collective benefit and ours. There has been a huge over reaction to the recent defeats, some of the posts on other sites are poisonous. We are not doomed to fail despite the latest display, just as we were not guaranteed promotion by thrashing Aldershot. The fact is City are making progress and our support is the best way of ensuring this continues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have come from a position where only a few years ago we nearly lost City. We now have a manager &amp; chairmen who love the club, JR &amp; ML must convince Stuart that his place is  at Valley Parade, he must stay &#8211; for their collective benefit and ours. There has been a huge over reaction to the recent defeats, some of the posts on other sites are poisonous. We are not doomed to fail despite the latest display, just as we were not guaranteed promotion by thrashing Aldershot. The fact is City are making progress and our support is the best way of ensuring this continues.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Wardell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Wardell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 16:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to let Stuart and the Board know that the majority of supporters are wanting Stuart to stay for the long term. Those who claim to be supporters and want Stuart out are the ones who moan when we don&#039;t win every game. They are also the ones who can&#039;t claim to be supporters. A supporter is someone who supports their team through both the good times and the more difficult times. We are still in striking distance of the play-offs and maybe McCall made his claim of leaving the club without having enough time to reflect on the three consecutive away defeats. I was at Exeter last Saturday and there was very little between the two teams except a lucky goal for Exeter. Yes - some people say that you earn your luck and maybe ours is still to come this season. If the minority moaners &quot;force&quot; McCall to quit and, so suddenly after signing an extension to his contract I will be pi**ed off.

Take Everton for example; David Moyes has been their manager for just over seven years and whilst they haven&#039;t won a major trophy during his reign I sure that most Everton supporters are glad that they have stuck with him. They have some good young British players coming through into their first team and Moyes speaks honestly after games unlike other Premiership managers. Like Moyes, Stuart has had a role to play in developing Colbeck and O&#039;Brien, and he speaks honestly after games. So as some supporters would sing...&quot;don&#039;t you take my Stuart away. You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy when skies are grey, you never noticed how much I love you, so don&#039;t you take my Stuart away!!!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to let Stuart and the Board know that the majority of supporters are wanting Stuart to stay for the long term. Those who claim to be supporters and want Stuart out are the ones who moan when we don&#8217;t win every game. They are also the ones who can&#8217;t claim to be supporters. A supporter is someone who supports their team through both the good times and the more difficult times. We are still in striking distance of the play-offs and maybe McCall made his claim of leaving the club without having enough time to reflect on the three consecutive away defeats. I was at Exeter last Saturday and there was very little between the two teams except a lucky goal for Exeter. Yes &#8211; some people say that you earn your luck and maybe ours is still to come this season. If the minority moaners &#8220;force&#8221; McCall to quit and, so suddenly after signing an extension to his contract I will be pi**ed off.</p>
<p>Take Everton for example; David Moyes has been their manager for just over seven years and whilst they haven&#8217;t won a major trophy during his reign I sure that most Everton supporters are glad that they have stuck with him. They have some good young British players coming through into their first team and Moyes speaks honestly after games unlike other Premiership managers. Like Moyes, Stuart has had a role to play in developing Colbeck and O&#8217;Brien, and he speaks honestly after games. So as some supporters would sing&#8230;&#8221;don&#8217;t you take my Stuart away. You are my sunshine, my only sunshine, you make me happy when skies are grey, you never noticed how much I love you, so don&#8217;t you take my Stuart away!!!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Leon Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leon Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not been to a game all season, and only one last year due to work, money and parenting, so I only have the opinions of others to go on and the league table and am prepared to be shot down for speaking, but indulge me as I&#039;ve followed City since I was about six in 1979. i can;t comment on the attitudes of the current players as I;ve hardly seen any of them play.

Other than echo the comments about Stuarts heart being in the club, the folly of always thinking the next man can do better, the ridiculousness of &#039;starting again&#039; every 18 months, I&#039;d like to add that the idea that &#039;a more experienced assistant is needed&#039; also seems rather odd.

When Trevor Cherry did what he did, did he have an experienced right hand man? When Paul Jewell did what he did, did he have an experienced right hand man? In both cases the manager and assistant were in their first senior management positions. Now you may say &quot;but they got us promoted after a couple of years!&quot;, but they both had the advantage of building on the momentum created by a recent promotion acheived by someone else and were involved in the clubs one true period of &#039;progressivism&#039;. McCall has arrived when we have finally bottomed out and is charged with creating his own momentum. no easy task. I saw one post on the T &amp; A askin &quot;what does Jacobs add?&quot; to the City set up. Well, I&#039;ve no idea, but why assume its his fault? What insider information do people have to suggest that Wayne Jacobs is no good as an assistant/coach? Do they even know WHAT makes a good assistant manager?

I would also like to ask those people who accuse McCall of &#039;tactical naivety&#039;, how many World Cups they&#039;ve played in, how many Scottish championships they&#039;ve won, how many European Cup games they&#039;ve played. I could go on, but I despair at the arrogance of some people who seem to think they know how a team should be run. PES or ChampMan do not a manager make!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not been to a game all season, and only one last year due to work, money and parenting, so I only have the opinions of others to go on and the league table and am prepared to be shot down for speaking, but indulge me as I&#8217;ve followed City since I was about six in 1979. i can;t comment on the attitudes of the current players as I;ve hardly seen any of them play.</p>
<p>Other than echo the comments about Stuarts heart being in the club, the folly of always thinking the next man can do better, the ridiculousness of &#8216;starting again&#8217; every 18 months, I&#8217;d like to add that the idea that &#8216;a more experienced assistant is needed&#8217; also seems rather odd.</p>
<p>When Trevor Cherry did what he did, did he have an experienced right hand man? When Paul Jewell did what he did, did he have an experienced right hand man? In both cases the manager and assistant were in their first senior management positions. Now you may say &#8220;but they got us promoted after a couple of years!&#8221;, but they both had the advantage of building on the momentum created by a recent promotion acheived by someone else and were involved in the clubs one true period of &#8216;progressivism&#8217;. McCall has arrived when we have finally bottomed out and is charged with creating his own momentum. no easy task. I saw one post on the T &amp; A askin &#8220;what does Jacobs add?&#8221; to the City set up. Well, I&#8217;ve no idea, but why assume its his fault? What insider information do people have to suggest that Wayne Jacobs is no good as an assistant/coach? Do they even know WHAT makes a good assistant manager?</p>
<p>I would also like to ask those people who accuse McCall of &#8216;tactical naivety&#8217;, how many World Cups they&#8217;ve played in, how many Scottish championships they&#8217;ve won, how many European Cup games they&#8217;ve played. I could go on, but I despair at the arrogance of some people who seem to think they know how a team should be run. PES or ChampMan do not a manager make!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Hunter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Hunter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a McCall supporter and can see both his good points and sadly the less good ones, and would love him to continue for the forseeable future as our manager. However, he is learning his trade and together with his backroom staff has little or no knowledge of being a manager other than that picked up as a player. I still firmly beleive that the club and McCall could benefit from having an elder statesman on board. Who that is, or should be I am not sure, but somebody to bat ideas back and forth who has had a few more years in the management game, I feel sure would be a help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a McCall supporter and can see both his good points and sadly the less good ones, and would love him to continue for the forseeable future as our manager. However, he is learning his trade and together with his backroom staff has little or no knowledge of being a manager other than that picked up as a player. I still firmly beleive that the club and McCall could benefit from having an elder statesman on board. Who that is, or should be I am not sure, but somebody to bat ideas back and forth who has had a few more years in the management game, I feel sure would be a help.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 14:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t hold Jackson in the same disregard as some do at City (they are entitled to think of him poorly if they wish, he did accept the job from Geoffrey Richmond and  then call back two days later to say that he would rather not) but I also do not hold him in as high a regard as some and fail to see why a man who is four places below us in League Two as we speak should be considered better than our current manager?

What is it about Lincoln&#039;s 48 points that make them a better achievement than City&#039;s 58?  In Jackson we can make a like for like comparison with Stuart and frankly our gaffer is better than their gaffer.  He may have been your choice to replace Todd but two years there is no indication that he would be doing any better than McCall is.  I would be interested to know what it is about doing worse than McCall that suggests that Jackson is better?

Personally I believe that appointing Jackson without Terry Yorath is a much different proposition to him with the current Margate manager as his number two and - as with Paul Jewell without Chris Hutchings - I&#039;d be very wary at assuming he could look at his record at Huddersfield and assume he could repeat it.

The fact that he is in our league in a team that - like us - declared that they wanted automatic promotion and that they were able to outbid us for players (Rob Butch) suggesting that they have similar resources that he is in a comparable situation doing less well.

Does this mean he is not as good a manager as Stuart McCall?  Perhaps.  Does this mean it is impossible to make a case that he is categorically a better manager?  Certainly it does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t hold Jackson in the same disregard as some do at City (they are entitled to think of him poorly if they wish, he did accept the job from Geoffrey Richmond and  then call back two days later to say that he would rather not) but I also do not hold him in as high a regard as some and fail to see why a man who is four places below us in League Two as we speak should be considered better than our current manager?</p>
<p>What is it about Lincoln&#8217;s 48 points that make them a better achievement than City&#8217;s 58?  In Jackson we can make a like for like comparison with Stuart and frankly our gaffer is better than their gaffer.  He may have been your choice to replace Todd but two years there is no indication that he would be doing any better than McCall is.  I would be interested to know what it is about doing worse than McCall that suggests that Jackson is better?</p>
<p>Personally I believe that appointing Jackson without Terry Yorath is a much different proposition to him with the current Margate manager as his number two and &#8211; as with Paul Jewell without Chris Hutchings &#8211; I&#8217;d be very wary at assuming he could look at his record at Huddersfield and assume he could repeat it.</p>
<p>The fact that he is in our league in a team that &#8211; like us &#8211; declared that they wanted automatic promotion and that they were able to outbid us for players (Rob Butch) suggesting that they have similar resources that he is in a comparable situation doing less well.</p>
<p>Does this mean he is not as good a manager as Stuart McCall?  Perhaps.  Does this mean it is impossible to make a case that he is categorically a better manager?  Certainly it does.</p>
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