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	<title>Comments on: An ugly victory as Hereford United fans get the wrong kind of Bradford welcome</title>
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		<title>By: Bob Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 23:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a far more worrying development is these young kids intent on causing trouble inside and outside the ground.

We have always had a reputation as being a family club, and I for one want it to remain that way.

It must infuriate our 2 chairmen, when they have introduced very initiatives to get young people supporting the club, but some of them throw it back in their faces, by hurling coins at the opposition, and cowardly attacks outside the ground.

Let&#039;s hope CCTV can find the culprits, and they are banned from the club for life, as they are certainly not welcome.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a far more worrying development is these young kids intent on causing trouble inside and outside the ground.</p>
<p>We have always had a reputation as being a family club, and I for one want it to remain that way.</p>
<p>It must infuriate our 2 chairmen, when they have introduced very initiatives to get young people supporting the club, but some of them throw it back in their faces, by hurling coins at the opposition, and cowardly attacks outside the ground.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope CCTV can find the culprits, and they are banned from the club for life, as they are certainly not welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradford City Steward.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradford City Steward.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read my comment explaining my actions. 70 yards is some distance to be making assumptions.Come and see me before the next home game,away turnstiles.Cheers !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read my comment explaining my actions. 70 yards is some distance to be making assumptions.Come and see me before the next home game,away turnstiles.Cheers !</p>
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		<title>By: Bradford City Steward.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradford City Steward.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to accusations of heavy handed stewarding at saturdays match towards the two &quot;youngsters&quot;(incidentally one had more facial hair than me),I was asked to remove the first &quot;youngster&quot; for his use of foul &amp; abusive language towards a fellow steward.He willingly stood up after i spoke to him but was prevented from complying by the &quot;youngster&quot; to his left (with the excessive facial hair). Whoever the photographer was - get the pictures in order of relevance. Picture 2 should be first this shows me explaining why he was to be removed from the ground. Picture 3 was me removing the hairy &quot;youngster&quot; as he refused to comply with my request to stand up and let the other &quot;youngster&quot; out. Picture 1 was taken after the final whistle. This is me listening to taunts from the dozen or so fans as they exited the ground. To my knowledge no Hereford fans were removed for standing. I only used reasonable force to remove the hairy &quot;youngster&quot; who had his two friends holding him back and his hand firmly clamped onto a railing. If you are old enough to attend a football match and are old enough to give verbal abuse you take responsibility for your own actions. My actions were to the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to accusations of heavy handed stewarding at saturdays match towards the two &#8220;youngsters&#8221;(incidentally one had more facial hair than me),I was asked to remove the first &#8220;youngster&#8221; for his use of foul &amp; abusive language towards a fellow steward.He willingly stood up after i spoke to him but was prevented from complying by the &#8220;youngster&#8221; to his left (with the excessive facial hair). Whoever the photographer was &#8211; get the pictures in order of relevance. Picture 2 should be first this shows me explaining why he was to be removed from the ground. Picture 3 was me removing the hairy &#8220;youngster&#8221; as he refused to comply with my request to stand up and let the other &#8220;youngster&#8221; out. Picture 1 was taken after the final whistle. This is me listening to taunts from the dozen or so fans as they exited the ground. To my knowledge no Hereford fans were removed for standing. I only used reasonable force to remove the hairy &#8220;youngster&#8221; who had his two friends holding him back and his hand firmly clamped onto a railing. If you are old enough to attend a football match and are old enough to give verbal abuse you take responsibility for your own actions. My actions were to the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Blyth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Blyth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reply Jason.

It is ironic I was sticking up for the stewards to be honest. I was one of the 12 (if I remember correctly) thrown out at the infamous Crewe debacle.  City were later unable to provide any reason I was thrown out as at the time I was told it was for standing despite the security footage showing me sitting down (I made them check).  My only concern is however sometimes fans seem to think they are hard done by you often, look at it objectively and sometimes see it was there own fault.
In terms of the Herefords fans view, it is quite clear they are going to side with there own fans as opposed to City stewards.
It may well have been heavy handed and I really do hope that City look in to it as I know, like you, we have been on the recieving end many times.

Maybe I am just being over protective. Things are really looking up for City at the moment and I don&#039;t want to go down the route of us moaning at our own club again when, potentially (I accept this may be a slim chance), there was nothing in it.  This site can have a bigger influence than you may realise at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reply Jason.</p>
<p>It is ironic I was sticking up for the stewards to be honest. I was one of the 12 (if I remember correctly) thrown out at the infamous Crewe debacle.  City were later unable to provide any reason I was thrown out as at the time I was told it was for standing despite the security footage showing me sitting down (I made them check).  My only concern is however sometimes fans seem to think they are hard done by you often, look at it objectively and sometimes see it was there own fault.<br />
In terms of the Herefords fans view, it is quite clear they are going to side with there own fans as opposed to City stewards.<br />
It may well have been heavy handed and I really do hope that City look in to it as I know, like you, we have been on the recieving end many times.</p>
<p>Maybe I am just being over protective. Things are really looking up for City at the moment and I don&#8217;t want to go down the route of us moaning at our own club again when, potentially (I accept this may be a slim chance), there was nothing in it.  This site can have a bigger influence than you may realise at times.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne McManus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne McManus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sit behind the goal in the Bradford End and can safely add that the stewarding was disgusting.  I too cannot say what kicked it off, but what I did see was a couple of stewards dragging a couple of young fans out of the ground.  They were, however, resisting and the force intensified.

To sort this problem out once-and-for-all, I suggest that all the fans in that block write letters of complaint to the club and make a complaint to the police.  I am sure there will be cameras in the ground that can show exactly what &#039;unreasonable&#039; force was (or wasn&#039;t) used.

However, the one thing I do take issue with is the blame on the Bradford fans.  If they were standing and the stewards didn&#039;t apply the same force, is that the fans&#039; fault?  When the City fans saw the HUFC fans being ejected, they sang the usual &#039;bye bye&#039; chants, which then stirred the remaining fans up, a group in the centre in particular.  From what I could see, there was one particular fan that was going mental and the humorous City fans latched onto this and gave him (and his party) a bit of stick.  This happens at all games, home and away and was nothing out of the ordinary.

It was &#039;friendly&#039; banter and nothing different to what was being dished out by HUFC fans.  However, what is supposed to have happened outside the ground is disgusting.  Again, I hope CCTV cameras have picked up some of the incident and police can do their work accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sit behind the goal in the Bradford End and can safely add that the stewarding was disgusting.  I too cannot say what kicked it off, but what I did see was a couple of stewards dragging a couple of young fans out of the ground.  They were, however, resisting and the force intensified.</p>
<p>To sort this problem out once-and-for-all, I suggest that all the fans in that block write letters of complaint to the club and make a complaint to the police.  I am sure there will be cameras in the ground that can show exactly what &#8216;unreasonable&#8217; force was (or wasn&#8217;t) used.</p>
<p>However, the one thing I do take issue with is the blame on the Bradford fans.  If they were standing and the stewards didn&#8217;t apply the same force, is that the fans&#8217; fault?  When the City fans saw the HUFC fans being ejected, they sang the usual &#8216;bye bye&#8217; chants, which then stirred the remaining fans up, a group in the centre in particular.  From what I could see, there was one particular fan that was going mental and the humorous City fans latched onto this and gave him (and his party) a bit of stick.  This happens at all games, home and away and was nothing out of the ordinary.</p>
<p>It was &#8216;friendly&#8217; banter and nothing different to what was being dished out by HUFC fans.  However, what is supposed to have happened outside the ground is disgusting.  Again, I hope CCTV cameras have picked up some of the incident and police can do their work accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: tim noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ohyes, and another  thing - i was a bit embarrassed that our fellow supporters in the city end appeared to believe hereford is in wales.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ohyes, and another  thing &#8211; i was a bit embarrassed that our fellow supporters in the city end appeared to believe hereford is in wales.</p>
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		<title>By: tim noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;d just like to comment that from my seat at the sunwin stand end of the top deck city end, i only heard standard terrace chant abuse from the city end and would be surprised at any regular footy fans taking real offence from them. in fact during the rather quiet part of the second half before bullock got sent off,the chants were more entertaining than the footy!

i too am concerned about the youths hanging around our end as we come out - something should be done about them. and if the stewarding in the away end is heavy handed or unequally applied with other areas then that should be addressed too, urgently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;d just like to comment that from my seat at the sunwin stand end of the top deck city end, i only heard standard terrace chant abuse from the city end and would be surprised at any regular footy fans taking real offence from them. in fact during the rather quiet part of the second half before bullock got sent off,the chants were more entertaining than the footy!</p>
<p>i too am concerned about the youths hanging around our end as we come out &#8211; something should be done about them. and if the stewarding in the away end is heavy handed or unequally applied with other areas then that should be addressed too, urgently.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Heffernan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Heffernan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The steward acted like a common thug and should be sacked on the spot for giving the club a bad name. The poor kid did his best to ignore the steward &#039;ruffing him up&#039;, and just sat politely trying to watch the game. It makes me sick to my stomach to think that 200 or so people have come away from VP with such a negative off-the-field experience in mind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The steward acted like a common thug and should be sacked on the spot for giving the club a bad name. The poor kid did his best to ignore the steward &#8216;ruffing him up&#8217;, and just sat politely trying to watch the game. It makes me sick to my stomach to think that 200 or so people have come away from VP with such a negative off-the-field experience in mind</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Brook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Brook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/bradford_city/default.stm

It also appears to me that somebody threw an object at their keeper. See around 1:45 of the video via the link above. Why can&#039;t our fans behave properly?</description>
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<p>It also appears to me that somebody threw an object at their keeper. See around 1:45 of the video via the link above. Why can&#8217;t our fans behave properly?</p>
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		<title>By: John Loxam</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Loxam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From where I was sat -Sunwin- the Steward in the yellow coat(Head Stweward)committed an act of Assault and this should be pursued by the individual who was dragged out of his seat and thrown against the wall. There should be a good chance that this was recorded by the ground safety/security cameras in the area adjacent to the Sunwin Stand. Being sat approximately 70 yds away from where this incident occured I don&#039;t know what was said that could have infuriated the Steward to the  degree that caused his agressive behaviour.However, his over the top reaction could have caused a far more serious reaction from supporters than the Hereford supporters gave. If discilinary or indeed, legal action is not taken against the Steward he should count himself very lucky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From where I was sat -Sunwin- the Steward in the yellow coat(Head Stweward)committed an act of Assault and this should be pursued by the individual who was dragged out of his seat and thrown against the wall. There should be a good chance that this was recorded by the ground safety/security cameras in the area adjacent to the Sunwin Stand. Being sat approximately 70 yds away from where this incident occured I don&#8217;t know what was said that could have infuriated the Steward to the  degree that caused his agressive behaviour.However, his over the top reaction could have caused a far more serious reaction from supporters than the Hereford supporters gave. If discilinary or indeed, legal action is not taken against the Steward he should count himself very lucky.</p>
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