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		<title>By: Michael Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2009/12/reacting-to-the-cold-sifting-the-good-from-the-bad/#comment-2009</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a good Christmas too. 

 Make sure when Santa asks you what you want you can answer his question cause you certainly are not able to answer mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a good Christmas too. </p>
<p> Make sure when Santa asks you what you want you can answer his question cause you certainly are not able to answer mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2009/12/reacting-to-the-cold-sifting-the-good-from-the-bad/#comment-2007</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have a good Christmas Michael and we will have to agree to disagree on Stuart McCall. Not sure many Town fans wish Stan was still in charge but you never know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have a good Christmas Michael and we will have to agree to disagree on Stuart McCall. Not sure many Town fans wish Stan was still in charge but you never know.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2009/12/reacting-to-the-cold-sifting-the-good-from-the-bad/#comment-2005</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say rant - Graeme says &quot;the most eloquent and accurate response to a line trotted out on many message boards&quot; - but it is fair to say that you infuriate me because even in the disagreements with Luton fans, with Rochdale fans, with Spurs fans seldom have I ever encountered someone who fails to answer the most simple questions which must be core to his belief if his belief is to have any credence.

Yes, you would review a manager&#039;s contract two years after appointing him - although I do not see how that is different to what currently happens - but that is not an answer to my question.  My question is how to you make sure that replacing this manager be a more successful endeavour than replacing the previous six managers?

Interesting points about Gary McAllister who Leeds sacked after the game at Histon despite his having won 50% of his games and reaching the play-offs.  Grayson took over the team and - what do you know - reached the play-offs.  Hardly the proof that changing the manager is a successful process.  Likewise Huddersfield&#039;s change of manager came alongside a massive investment in players which - and I&#039;ll help you out here - could be an answer to your question.  The Huddersfield chairman made sure his next appointment was more successful than the last by giving him a huge increase in resources.  To suggest that the difference between Town this season and last is Lee Clark and not Stan Ternant is disingenuous.

I&#039;d also like to point out that I&#039;ve never used the word &quot;indefinitely&quot; in this context and tell you not to attribute it to me.  I would not get rid of a manager on the basis of a 3-0 defeat against a team at the top of the division.

You obviously know David White better than I do if you know his mindset.  Tell him I say Hi next time you are hob-nobbing with him and that the door is always open for him if he wants to write something new.  Comments are at times turned on and off on various articles including my own regardless of who the author or the subject matter is (although they now have a different format which was designed since David and my articles) but - as you say - you will not know that not being a regular reader I assume having stated that the site is not a &quot;must read&quot; although - and I would hate for you to take this as a rant - but far more people read the articles on website now than they did in the period up to 2005 and more people return to the website on a daily basis than they did in those years so while the site has changed it certainly is no less of a &quot;must read&quot; for an increased number of people.  Perhaps that answers to the credibility of the website although it would be arrogant of me to say that the site does, or does not have it.  I create it, all readers form the opinions and either come to the site or do not on the basis of that.

Addressing a wider audience - and for those who are interested - there was a change in the site away from news and rumours and towards opinion and articles.  In the early part of the decade City news online was thin on the ground but as the years progressed the likes of BBC, The T&amp;A, The club site and many other news portals ramped up the coverage they provided to a level where much of the time spent on BfB was repeating news that the readers have found elsewhere perhaps with a comment or two.  This simply was not worth my time and so the site was wound up for a bit and returned on the basis that it would focus on opinion articles for those who wrote articles.

Doing that provides a breadth to the coverage of our club online but the site is not for everyone and obviously not taking a neutral stance is always going to upset some people who disagree but there is an open door policy to articles and a tiny percentage have been spiked over the last ten years.  Some of those articles have criticised supporters - although some would suggest that if you are the sort of person who boos young players you are not a supporter or the club by any definition - but saying BfB is a &quot;bash the fans&quot; site is as contradictory as it is inane.  Everyone who writes for the site is a Bradford City fan and no one is tied to an editorial policy.  If one fan has an opinion that the others need to be taken to task over - for example - booing Joe Colbeck then they have the platform to say so.

At least that is what BfB provides - and it provides it for you to make your point - so I wait with baited breath for an answer to the question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say rant &#8211; Graeme says &#8220;the most eloquent and accurate response to a line trotted out on many message boards&#8221; &#8211; but it is fair to say that you infuriate me because even in the disagreements with Luton fans, with Rochdale fans, with Spurs fans seldom have I ever encountered someone who fails to answer the most simple questions which must be core to his belief if his belief is to have any credence.</p>
<p>Yes, you would review a manager&#8217;s contract two years after appointing him &#8211; although I do not see how that is different to what currently happens &#8211; but that is not an answer to my question.  My question is how to you make sure that replacing this manager be a more successful endeavour than replacing the previous six managers?</p>
<p>Interesting points about Gary McAllister who Leeds sacked after the game at Histon despite his having won 50% of his games and reaching the play-offs.  Grayson took over the team and &#8211; what do you know &#8211; reached the play-offs.  Hardly the proof that changing the manager is a successful process.  Likewise Huddersfield&#8217;s change of manager came alongside a massive investment in players which &#8211; and I&#8217;ll help you out here &#8211; could be an answer to your question.  The Huddersfield chairman made sure his next appointment was more successful than the last by giving him a huge increase in resources.  To suggest that the difference between Town this season and last is Lee Clark and not Stan Ternant is disingenuous.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d also like to point out that I&#8217;ve never used the word &#8220;indefinitely&#8221; in this context and tell you not to attribute it to me.  I would not get rid of a manager on the basis of a 3-0 defeat against a team at the top of the division.</p>
<p>You obviously know David White better than I do if you know his mindset.  Tell him I say Hi next time you are hob-nobbing with him and that the door is always open for him if he wants to write something new.  Comments are at times turned on and off on various articles including my own regardless of who the author or the subject matter is (although they now have a different format which was designed since David and my articles) but &#8211; as you say &#8211; you will not know that not being a regular reader I assume having stated that the site is not a &#8220;must read&#8221; although &#8211; and I would hate for you to take this as a rant &#8211; but far more people read the articles on website now than they did in the period up to 2005 and more people return to the website on a daily basis than they did in those years so while the site has changed it certainly is no less of a &#8220;must read&#8221; for an increased number of people.  Perhaps that answers to the credibility of the website although it would be arrogant of me to say that the site does, or does not have it.  I create it, all readers form the opinions and either come to the site or do not on the basis of that.</p>
<p>Addressing a wider audience &#8211; and for those who are interested &#8211; there was a change in the site away from news and rumours and towards opinion and articles.  In the early part of the decade City news online was thin on the ground but as the years progressed the likes of BBC, The T&#038;A, The club site and many other news portals ramped up the coverage they provided to a level where much of the time spent on BfB was repeating news that the readers have found elsewhere perhaps with a comment or two.  This simply was not worth my time and so the site was wound up for a bit and returned on the basis that it would focus on opinion articles for those who wrote articles.</p>
<p>Doing that provides a breadth to the coverage of our club online but the site is not for everyone and obviously not taking a neutral stance is always going to upset some people who disagree but there is an open door policy to articles and a tiny percentage have been spiked over the last ten years.  Some of those articles have criticised supporters &#8211; although some would suggest that if you are the sort of person who boos young players you are not a supporter or the club by any definition &#8211; but saying BfB is a &#8220;bash the fans&#8221; site is as contradictory as it is inane.  Everyone who writes for the site is a Bradford City fan and no one is tied to an editorial policy.  If one fan has an opinion that the others need to be taken to task over &#8211; for example &#8211; booing Joe Colbeck then they have the platform to say so.</p>
<p>At least that is what BfB provides &#8211; and it provides it for you to make your point &#8211; so I wait with baited breath for an answer to the question.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2009/12/reacting-to-the-cold-sifting-the-good-from-the-bad/#comment-2002</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way you reply to people Michael especially if they do not agree with you seems more in the way of a rant rather than a question.You question my intelligence by saying I probably do not understand your question to me.However you keep saying &quot;I have a question for you&quot; and then rant. I suspect David White will never write for you again after you lost credibility by closing his article off.You don&#039;t do that with Jason McKeown.
            As I explained in the earlier post ,if I was Chairman I would give a manager a 2 year deal and at the end of the 2 years look at the situation.If progress was being made the deal would be extended.I would not sack mid season,however I would not have renewed McCalls deal last summer. If keeping the same manager indefinately regardless of results is the key to success then clearly Leeds got it wrong sacking McCallister last season and Huuddersfield should surely have kept Stan Ternant on for a good few years and not appoint Lee Clark.
                    I did not intend to insult the BFB writers but it does appear that you have taken it that way. However the site does appear to have changed from a must read and great source of rumour and gossip that you had in the earlier part of the decade to a bash the fans site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way you reply to people Michael especially if they do not agree with you seems more in the way of a rant rather than a question.You question my intelligence by saying I probably do not understand your question to me.However you keep saying &#8220;I have a question for you&#8221; and then rant. I suspect David White will never write for you again after you lost credibility by closing his article off.You don&#8217;t do that with Jason McKeown.<br />
            As I explained in the earlier post ,if I was Chairman I would give a manager a 2 year deal and at the end of the 2 years look at the situation.If progress was being made the deal would be extended.I would not sack mid season,however I would not have renewed McCalls deal last summer. If keeping the same manager indefinately regardless of results is the key to success then clearly Leeds got it wrong sacking McCallister last season and Huuddersfield should surely have kept Stan Ternant on for a good few years and not appoint Lee Clark.<br />
                    I did not intend to insult the BFB writers but it does appear that you have taken it that way. However the site does appear to have changed from a must read and great source of rumour and gossip that you had in the earlier part of the decade to a bash the fans site.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2009/12/reacting-to-the-cold-sifting-the-good-from-the-bad/#comment-1996</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Keith you do upset me when you spread supposition and untruths about the work I and the other writers do.  I think it is unfair and disrespectful to them and I think that you should have more respect for fellow City fans.

To answer the last point David White is - as with all the other contributors - allowed to write for the site as and when he pleases.  David was - he told me - pleased to have that article on BfB (It followed the Notts County 5-0 defeat and suggested that while keeping a manager was the correct thing to do, McCall was not the correct manager to keep) and I&#039;m very keen to hear more of David&#039;s thoughts.  His three articles in the last four years suggest that he is not a regular contributor but David - if you are ready - get in touch and write something new.

The article of David&#039;s formed a part of a pair of articles one for, one against presented without comments on this website switched on.  BfB has been creating this sort of paired article for the best part of the last decade with it being a staple of the site in the mid-part of the decade.  It was adopted at that point for practicalities - neither Jason or I was available to approve what one would have anticipated would be a multitude of comments - but an even hand was given to both sides of that debate.

To suggest that I &quot;refused to allow anyone to comment on it&quot; is tediously untrue.  It was not available for comments on this website (and would not have been even if the comments switch had been turned to on, not all comments are published, there is an editing process detailed in the guidelines on every comment page and as our friends at Rochdale illuminated I am legally liable for the comments published on this site) but I am told that it was debated on the OMB and the issues discussed are debated at length on other parts of this website frequently - indeed this article does it.  Before I added comments to BfB - a good 85% of the lifetime of the site - debate was continued about the articles on other sites and that pair of articles were no different.

You want to portray me and this site as trying to silence criticism of Stuart McCall but publishing an article criticising him and even the twisted view you are harbouring must be able to notice the ridiculous contradiction in that.  Not only that but today you have been allowed the same platform to make similar comments in a debate.  Only a blithering idiot would characterise that as some attempt to silence comment.

Onto the other points I did ask you to answer a question and you have not been able to do that nor indeed have you read the comments I made - or perhaps you read them and did not understand them which seems to be the case - but all you present is the idea of removing something from the club and nothing about improving the club.  I find it remarkable that anyone can unquestioningly follow the (indefinite?) policy of replacing managers on a near 18 month cycle despite the frequency which it fails although I note that if Chairman Bruce has given Paul Jewell until the end of his first half season contract he would have seen the mid-table finish and sent him packing.

Very simply, and without daft comments about upsetting people or Mystic Meg predictions: What assurance is there that replacing this manager be a more successful endeavour than replacing the previous six managers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Keith you do upset me when you spread supposition and untruths about the work I and the other writers do.  I think it is unfair and disrespectful to them and I think that you should have more respect for fellow City fans.</p>
<p>To answer the last point David White is &#8211; as with all the other contributors &#8211; allowed to write for the site as and when he pleases.  David was &#8211; he told me &#8211; pleased to have that article on BfB (It followed the Notts County 5-0 defeat and suggested that while keeping a manager was the correct thing to do, McCall was not the correct manager to keep) and I&#8217;m very keen to hear more of David&#8217;s thoughts.  His three articles in the last four years suggest that he is not a regular contributor but David &#8211; if you are ready &#8211; get in touch and write something new.</p>
<p>The article of David&#8217;s formed a part of a pair of articles one for, one against presented without comments on this website switched on.  BfB has been creating this sort of paired article for the best part of the last decade with it being a staple of the site in the mid-part of the decade.  It was adopted at that point for practicalities &#8211; neither Jason or I was available to approve what one would have anticipated would be a multitude of comments &#8211; but an even hand was given to both sides of that debate.</p>
<p>To suggest that I &#8220;refused to allow anyone to comment on it&#8221; is tediously untrue.  It was not available for comments on this website (and would not have been even if the comments switch had been turned to on, not all comments are published, there is an editing process detailed in the guidelines on every comment page and as our friends at Rochdale illuminated I am legally liable for the comments published on this site) but I am told that it was debated on the OMB and the issues discussed are debated at length on other parts of this website frequently &#8211; indeed this article does it.  Before I added comments to BfB &#8211; a good 85% of the lifetime of the site &#8211; debate was continued about the articles on other sites and that pair of articles were no different.</p>
<p>You want to portray me and this site as trying to silence criticism of Stuart McCall but publishing an article criticising him and even the twisted view you are harbouring must be able to notice the ridiculous contradiction in that.  Not only that but today you have been allowed the same platform to make similar comments in a debate.  Only a blithering idiot would characterise that as some attempt to silence comment.</p>
<p>Onto the other points I did ask you to answer a question and you have not been able to do that nor indeed have you read the comments I made &#8211; or perhaps you read them and did not understand them which seems to be the case &#8211; but all you present is the idea of removing something from the club and nothing about improving the club.  I find it remarkable that anyone can unquestioningly follow the (indefinite?) policy of replacing managers on a near 18 month cycle despite the frequency which it fails although I note that if Chairman Bruce has given Paul Jewell until the end of his first half season contract he would have seen the mid-table finish and sent him packing.</p>
<p>Very simply, and without daft comments about upsetting people or Mystic Meg predictions: What assurance is there that replacing this manager be a more successful endeavour than replacing the previous six managers?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith Bruce</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2009/12/reacting-to-the-cold-sifting-the-good-from-the-bad/#comment-1995</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith Bruce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seem to have upset you again Michael.  For information I would give any manager the length of his contract to prove himself. After McCalls 2 years I would not have renewed it as he did nothing to justify an extended 2 years. I find it remarkable that you would support him indefinately regardless of any success.However due to the fact that it will cost a fortune to get rid now,I would let the season run it&#039;s course and see where we finish.I suspect it will be mid-table and He will walk anyway.By the way what happened to the contributer who wrote a damning article about McCall after the Notts county thrashing on your site? The one you refused to let anyone comment on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to have upset you again Michael.  For information I would give any manager the length of his contract to prove himself. After McCalls 2 years I would not have renewed it as he did nothing to justify an extended 2 years. I find it remarkable that you would support him indefinately regardless of any success.However due to the fact that it will cost a fortune to get rid now,I would let the season run it&#8217;s course and see where we finish.I suspect it will be mid-table and He will walk anyway.By the way what happened to the contributer who wrote a damning article about McCall after the Notts county thrashing on your site? The one you refused to let anyone comment on.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2009/12/reacting-to-the-cold-sifting-the-good-from-the-bad/#comment-1992</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few points:
1. Keeping a manager for 30 months rather than 18 does not count as stability. Stability is keeping a manager until he delivers success.
2. &quot;Two managers in just five and half years&quot; is not an indicator of stability.
3. The attitude that would see Stuart McCall sacked now would have seen Keith Hill sacked twelve months ago.
4. The attitude that would see Stuart McCall sacked now would have seen Alex Ferguson sacked in 1989. (I know he&#039;s Sir Alex but wouldn&#039;t be if he had been sacked in &#039;89.)
5. I am not a member of the &quot;BFB Team&quot; as Keith suggests. My opinions are entirely my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few points:<br />
1. Keeping a manager for 30 months rather than 18 does not count as stability. Stability is keeping a manager until he delivers success.<br />
2. &#8220;Two managers in just five and half years&#8221; is not an indicator of stability.<br />
3. The attitude that would see Stuart McCall sacked now would have seen Keith Hill sacked twelve months ago.<br />
4. The attitude that would see Stuart McCall sacked now would have seen Alex Ferguson sacked in 1989. (I know he&#8217;s Sir Alex but wouldn&#8217;t be if he had been sacked in &#8217;89.)<br />
5. I am not a member of the &#8220;BFB Team&#8221; as Keith suggests. My opinions are entirely my own.</p>
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		<title>By: Damian Clough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Damian Clough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All you have to do is look slightly north and slightly east. Todd and Jackson going doesnt seem to have helped matters at their respective clubs and they have gone and got in quite a few new players. I can see an improvement in this team. It will suffer setbacks. I do have a question. Considering we have no money to spend who do people feasibly expect to get in as manager? I have also read someone suggetsing we make a move for Loach. Do some people not realise what division we play in, the financial constraints and the actual standard?  If not they best start realising soon as they will only end up very disappointed!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All you have to do is look slightly north and slightly east. Todd and Jackson going doesnt seem to have helped matters at their respective clubs and they have gone and got in quite a few new players. I can see an improvement in this team. It will suffer setbacks. I do have a question. Considering we have no money to spend who do people feasibly expect to get in as manager? I have also read someone suggetsing we make a move for Loach. Do some people not realise what division we play in, the financial constraints and the actual standard?  If not they best start realising soon as they will only end up very disappointed!!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;BfB and Rochdale sitting in a tree...&quot;

Seriously though thanks for calling in Paul - good to have you here - and well done to all City fans who represented the club well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;BfB and Rochdale sitting in a tree&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously though thanks for calling in Paul &#8211; good to have you here &#8211; and well done to all City fans who represented the club well.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although it was a magnificent performance from Dale last night, credit has to be given to the Bradford support.....To a man each one I spoke to and also those who spoke to other Dale fans were gracious in defeat and are a credit to your club...A very classy set of supporters, Good luck for the remainder of the season and if we are to go up let&#039;s hope you go up with us........Moonydale</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although it was a magnificent performance from Dale last night, credit has to be given to the Bradford support&#8230;..To a man each one I spoke to and also those who spoke to other Dale fans were gracious in defeat and are a credit to your club&#8230;A very classy set of supporters, Good luck for the remainder of the season and if we are to go up let&#8217;s hope you go up with us&#8230;&#8230;..Moonydale</p>
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