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		<title>By: Michael Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2010/07/pre-season-in-prison-for-jake-speight/#comment-3915</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think these comments from Andy Uttley and Andrew Bozhko nicely show both sides of that issue and we can draw a line under that.  Thank you to the Andrews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think these comments from Andy Uttley and Andrew Bozhko nicely show both sides of that issue and we can draw a line under that.  Thank you to the Andrews.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Uttley</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2010/07/pre-season-in-prison-for-jake-speight/#comment-3914</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Uttley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it would be for the sake of the public&#039;s titillation, but we as fans will, whether we like it or not, be asked to support the lad when he next turns out in our colours.

Knowing the facts may or may not make this easier, it would certainly have some bearing on the amount of leaway certain sections of our support would be prepared to allow him.

As has been said above, we are totally unaware of the circumstances. An unprovoked attack on an innocent individual is a lot different to fighting your way out of a corner, even if the court&#039;s decision is the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it would be for the sake of the public&#8217;s titillation, but we as fans will, whether we like it or not, be asked to support the lad when he next turns out in our colours.</p>
<p>Knowing the facts may or may not make this easier, it would certainly have some bearing on the amount of leaway certain sections of our support would be prepared to allow him.</p>
<p>As has been said above, we are totally unaware of the circumstances. An unprovoked attack on an innocent individual is a lot different to fighting your way out of a corner, even if the court&#8217;s decision is the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Bozhko</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2010/07/pre-season-in-prison-for-jake-speight/#comment-3912</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Bozhko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here here!!! It doesn&#039;t matter if he hit a young girl or a full grown 20 stone man at the end of the day. Assault is assault, and we are just wasting our own time 2nd guessing. My life is not that devoid that I want to know all the ins and outs and you rightly say he has been convicted and being punished. 

On a similar note though, I refuse to see Notts County and any other club associated with Lee Hughes though as he killed someone and deliberately tried to get away with it. If City signed someone like him, I would never ever set foot in Valley parade ever again and I mean that and I would change my support to probably Town, I even refuse to see those said clubs visiting Valley Parade, there is a big gap with a minor offense and being a killer and driving off in the middle of the night hoping not to get caught leaving someone for dead. 

As this is only a minor offence for Speight and there might be a case of provocation, who knows, and who really cares, in all honesty, it has happened and life goes on for everyone concerned. 

Also I can not understand the hypocrisy with people saying he has lied to City to get the job, have those said people never ever lied on a CV or omitted things out or even manipulated the truth for their own benefit to get that job. If anyone is that opposed to a convicted thug from playing for City or any other club, then boycott the games when those players are on the team sheet. I will not judge him for a slight altercation as it were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here here!!! It doesn&#8217;t matter if he hit a young girl or a full grown 20 stone man at the end of the day. Assault is assault, and we are just wasting our own time 2nd guessing. My life is not that devoid that I want to know all the ins and outs and you rightly say he has been convicted and being punished. </p>
<p>On a similar note though, I refuse to see Notts County and any other club associated with Lee Hughes though as he killed someone and deliberately tried to get away with it. If City signed someone like him, I would never ever set foot in Valley parade ever again and I mean that and I would change my support to probably Town, I even refuse to see those said clubs visiting Valley Parade, there is a big gap with a minor offense and being a killer and driving off in the middle of the night hoping not to get caught leaving someone for dead. </p>
<p>As this is only a minor offence for Speight and there might be a case of provocation, who knows, and who really cares, in all honesty, it has happened and life goes on for everyone concerned. </p>
<p>Also I can not understand the hypocrisy with people saying he has lied to City to get the job, have those said people never ever lied on a CV or omitted things out or even manipulated the truth for their own benefit to get that job. If anyone is that opposed to a convicted thug from playing for City or any other club, then boycott the games when those players are on the team sheet. I will not judge him for a slight altercation as it were.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2010/07/pre-season-in-prison-for-jake-speight/#comment-3909</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never said that footballers should be protected just that a case has happened, people have had the details in front of them, and the process has occurred and I do not believe that based on some newspaper reports you might dig up that we should second guess the judgement of those people.  A court heard the fact, a court gave him a sentence and you do not have to be Atticus Finch to see that as justice in action and not something that people on message boards should pass extra and added judgement on.  I&#039;ve never said that they should be protected just that I do not think it matters or - if I can clarify - I do not think the judgement of you or I or anyone else who decides that the sentence is harsh or not is worth comparison to the verdict of a court in this case.

The other issues are about Speight and his different employers but are not changed by knowing any details about the case.  Is there a level of assault which City should find acceptable?  What details turn it over from make-weight to water in your mind that means he should or should not be sacked on the basis of it?  If he hit someone older than him is that less and than someone younger?  If he hit a woman is that worse than a man?  If he was verbally insulted first does that mean it is ok to hit someone back?

In a persons mind they might have answers to these things and the effects of them - I know I do - but I would not require the law or Bradford City to take that into account and I&#039;m glad that it does not.

The guy has gone to prison, he will come out having served his debt and everyone thinks much the worse of him because of it.  He has been tried and convicted in the view of the World and - to boot - as a professional footballer the exposure of this is far greater than would be expected.  He has not the protection of anonymity of the other young lads who are jailed for assault in Mansfield.  No one things it is good, people who heard evidence and people who have (one assumes) talked to him have made decisions.  If there a need - on the basis of less information - to second guess those decisions?

I&#039;m not convinced that there is any benefit in exposing the gritting details of what happened simply for the sake of the public&#039;s titillation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never said that footballers should be protected just that a case has happened, people have had the details in front of them, and the process has occurred and I do not believe that based on some newspaper reports you might dig up that we should second guess the judgement of those people.  A court heard the fact, a court gave him a sentence and you do not have to be Atticus Finch to see that as justice in action and not something that people on message boards should pass extra and added judgement on.  I&#8217;ve never said that they should be protected just that I do not think it matters or &#8211; if I can clarify &#8211; I do not think the judgement of you or I or anyone else who decides that the sentence is harsh or not is worth comparison to the verdict of a court in this case.</p>
<p>The other issues are about Speight and his different employers but are not changed by knowing any details about the case.  Is there a level of assault which City should find acceptable?  What details turn it over from make-weight to water in your mind that means he should or should not be sacked on the basis of it?  If he hit someone older than him is that less and than someone younger?  If he hit a woman is that worse than a man?  If he was verbally insulted first does that mean it is ok to hit someone back?</p>
<p>In a persons mind they might have answers to these things and the effects of them &#8211; I know I do &#8211; but I would not require the law or Bradford City to take that into account and I&#8217;m glad that it does not.</p>
<p>The guy has gone to prison, he will come out having served his debt and everyone thinks much the worse of him because of it.  He has been tried and convicted in the view of the World and &#8211; to boot &#8211; as a professional footballer the exposure of this is far greater than would be expected.  He has not the protection of anonymity of the other young lads who are jailed for assault in Mansfield.  No one things it is good, people who heard evidence and people who have (one assumes) talked to him have made decisions.  If there a need &#8211; on the basis of less information &#8211; to second guess those decisions?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced that there is any benefit in exposing the gritting details of what happened simply for the sake of the public&#8217;s titillation.</p>
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		<title>By: Glyn Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2010/07/pre-season-in-prison-for-jake-speight/#comment-3908</link>
		<dc:creator>Glyn Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 13:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes it does matter! If footballers should be protected in the way you suggest then why should any assault case be reported? A 6 month jail term for a first offence suggests a serious assault, or it could be a harsh sentence; it is impossible to know without details. Also Speight and his agent lied about this, by omission, so can hardly command our sympathy. 

If this case had been reported properly the original charge and court date would have been known to City, who could then have judged the value of Speight, knowing he might be sent down. 

Press and intelligence failures have damaged City. I can see no reason why the truth of the matter should not be made more public by the same press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes it does matter! If footballers should be protected in the way you suggest then why should any assault case be reported? A 6 month jail term for a first offence suggests a serious assault, or it could be a harsh sentence; it is impossible to know without details. Also Speight and his agent lied about this, by omission, so can hardly command our sympathy. </p>
<p>If this case had been reported properly the original charge and court date would have been known to City, who could then have judged the value of Speight, knowing he might be sent down. </p>
<p>Press and intelligence failures have damaged City. I can see no reason why the truth of the matter should not be made more public by the same press.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wood</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2010/07/pre-season-in-prison-for-jake-speight/#comment-3907</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does it matter?  A jury has convicted him, he has gone to prison and when he returns he will have paid his debt to society.  Considering his unknown offence is viewed in dim light by all is there any reason to dig in to find out more information aside from morbid curiosity?  Perhaps it was that idea - an idea of not writing sensationalised articles out of an offence that could and indeed was dealt with by the courts - which motivated the press of Mansfield and Sheffield not to report it which would be, to me, owing to a rise in standards.

This is Bradford City and the only McCarthyism we should be interested in is Sean.  Exposure for the sake of exposure is not admirable nor necessary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it matter?  A jury has convicted him, he has gone to prison and when he returns he will have paid his debt to society.  Considering his unknown offence is viewed in dim light by all is there any reason to dig in to find out more information aside from morbid curiosity?  Perhaps it was that idea &#8211; an idea of not writing sensationalised articles out of an offence that could and indeed was dealt with by the courts &#8211; which motivated the press of Mansfield and Sheffield not to report it which would be, to me, owing to a rise in standards.</p>
<p>This is Bradford City and the only McCarthyism we should be interested in is Sean.  Exposure for the sake of exposure is not admirable nor necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: Glyn Maxwell</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2010/07/pre-season-in-prison-for-jake-speight/#comment-3906</link>
		<dc:creator>Glyn Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone got details of the assault? I cannot find any, which is even more strange than Mansfield never hearing about the charge until after they sold him. This may be due to the plummeting standards of local press, but somebody must know. 

That is not a dig at Mansfield; but the formal charge, the court hearing date, and the result would have been publicly notified, so why did nobody pick up on it? Why is nobody properly reporting it now? He was born in Sheffield and can hardly have been on holiday in Feb. So it&#039;s not as if it happened in a distant home town or a resort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone got details of the assault? I cannot find any, which is even more strange than Mansfield never hearing about the charge until after they sold him. This may be due to the plummeting standards of local press, but somebody must know. </p>
<p>That is not a dig at Mansfield; but the formal charge, the court hearing date, and the result would have been publicly notified, so why did nobody pick up on it? Why is nobody properly reporting it now? He was born in Sheffield and can hardly have been on holiday in Feb. So it&#8217;s not as if it happened in a distant home town or a resort.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Oliver</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2010/07/pre-season-in-prison-for-jake-speight/#comment-3905</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward Oliver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 07:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets get one thing straight before I make my comment when I first found out I was annoyed (putting it mildly) and dont like any footballer commiting offences they are role models at the end of the day whether we agree or not and no matter what division so to have a poster of someone in prison on your kids bedroom wall is somewhat inappropriate, mind you nearly every celebrity/pop singer has been in the clink so whats one more league 2 footballer.

Now where was I? Ah yes 2 points.
1. Mansfield would not have known in my opinion or certainly not the chairman who was offering Jake an improved deal..View comments previously made with regards to City signing Jake.
2. Everybody is going on about fitness, I think match sharpness would be better phrase as surely there is a gym in prison (if theres not its against the human rights :)) and if I were the lad it would mean me just working out everyday and doing my own fitness regime, so lacking match sharpness from some friendlys until early August is not a major setback

What is, is the dissapointing start this lad has had with City, hold off on the sacking bit until we&#039;ve watched the lad in a few games. (prob as sub)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets get one thing straight before I make my comment when I first found out I was annoyed (putting it mildly) and dont like any footballer commiting offences they are role models at the end of the day whether we agree or not and no matter what division so to have a poster of someone in prison on your kids bedroom wall is somewhat inappropriate, mind you nearly every celebrity/pop singer has been in the clink so whats one more league 2 footballer.</p>
<p>Now where was I? Ah yes 2 points.<br />
1. Mansfield would not have known in my opinion or certainly not the chairman who was offering Jake an improved deal..View comments previously made with regards to City signing Jake.<br />
2. Everybody is going on about fitness, I think match sharpness would be better phrase as surely there is a gym in prison (if theres not its against the human rights :)) and if I were the lad it would mean me just working out everyday and doing my own fitness regime, so lacking match sharpness from some friendlys until early August is not a major setback</p>
<p>What is, is the dissapointing start this lad has had with City, hold off on the sacking bit until we&#8217;ve watched the lad in a few games. (prob as sub)</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Uttley</title>
		<link>http://www.boyfrombrazil.co.uk/2010/07/pre-season-in-prison-for-jake-speight/#comment-3900</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Uttley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 15:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure that&#039;s the club&#039;s and Peter Taylor&#039;s opinion as well Paul. It&#039;s the only sensible option, the club can&#039;t afford to flush £25k down the toilet and we need a reasonable squad so we stick with him and hope he repays the faith by delivering on the pitch.

I don&#039;t know enough about the lad to say whether he has the mental strength and will to use this as further incentive to do well or whether it&#039;ll ruin him. I hope it&#039;s the former.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure that&#8217;s the club&#8217;s and Peter Taylor&#8217;s opinion as well Paul. It&#8217;s the only sensible option, the club can&#8217;t afford to flush £25k down the toilet and we need a reasonable squad so we stick with him and hope he repays the faith by delivering on the pitch.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know enough about the lad to say whether he has the mental strength and will to use this as further incentive to do well or whether it&#8217;ll ruin him. I hope it&#8217;s the former.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst we would no doubt have a valid claim if we terminated his contract and brought proceedings against him for the transfer fee and other expenses, I&#039;m afraid we&#039;d be left much like Chelsea and Mutu having a long drawn out legal case. If it were £15million we were talking about, maybe it would be worth it, but not £25k, and not against a player who is likely to have little in the way of buried assets, holiday villas, ferraris etc...we could win the case, but if he can&#039;t afford to pay it&#039;s only a symbolic victory. We might have a similar claim against his agent as well, who might have more cash of course, but again it would be drawn out and costly. 

The only thing we can do now is swallow the hit and hope he gets his rear in gear once he&#039;s out and playing. If he doesn&#039;t bang in the goals, I can&#039;t see him following in Beag&#039;s or Jamie&#039;s footsteps and I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll be one of the first to have the crowd turn against him if he doesn&#039;t deliver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst we would no doubt have a valid claim if we terminated his contract and brought proceedings against him for the transfer fee and other expenses, I&#8217;m afraid we&#8217;d be left much like Chelsea and Mutu having a long drawn out legal case. If it were £15million we were talking about, maybe it would be worth it, but not £25k, and not against a player who is likely to have little in the way of buried assets, holiday villas, ferraris etc&#8230;we could win the case, but if he can&#8217;t afford to pay it&#8217;s only a symbolic victory. We might have a similar claim against his agent as well, who might have more cash of course, but again it would be drawn out and costly. </p>
<p>The only thing we can do now is swallow the hit and hope he gets his rear in gear once he&#8217;s out and playing. If he doesn&#8217;t bang in the goals, I can&#8217;t see him following in Beag&#8217;s or Jamie&#8217;s footsteps and I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll be one of the first to have the crowd turn against him if he doesn&#8217;t deliver.</p>
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